Roadmap: Phase 1

Committees Steering Committee
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Also I don’t think we need to wait on ^these things. I’m sure Jake has a life too, so we should refine exactly what we think should be different, and deliver a solid refined answer that is widely accepted (if possible)

We’ve effectively already started a thread for the community definition task here and we could use both input and technical skills to help get it pushed forward faster than the technical changes.

We could also start a thread on how we might want the steering committee to be elected. (Will it be SIG members, or the community at large, or both, how long should the election be, should it be ranked choice, etc)

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Blessed. Thank you can’t wait to read it.

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I totally agree with this andbut let’s be explicit about wanting to avoid bikeshedding at this point. I believe there’s a lot of detail that has to be got right about democracy in most circumstances, but in this case there are going to be very very few candidates anyway. (I might repeat this in the new thread if we start one.)

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It’s also a hard thing to define what’s bikeshedding or not. I deeply care about a lot of political issues, but If I could change one thing about my country, it would be the voting algorithm (ranked choice). So for me, its literally the worst possible example of bike-shedding haha. And I don’t take offence from your example haha, I find the irony funny.

I think our only option is to keep focus on the things that we think are important rather than the things we find enjoyable (ex: the logo and color pallet, which I’m guilty of myself)

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I think we ended up on a pretty solid idea which was loomio. And it pretty much offered all we needed.

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Oh, I thought loomio gave us a bunch of options about algorithms to use, if not then yeah loomio seemed to have enough consensus to go for it to get started.

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Here’s a thought that might be obvious but I think it’s important.

In one sense, the (arguably the and certainly a) reason that the Nix ecosystem is having such a hard time is that they have stewardship of a huge bunch of valuable stuff. They can’t decide how to govern that stewardship, and so there is much acrimony (all over the place, and recently it’s even started on the Zulip, although it’s not as bad there as in other places). The arcrimony is because (well, it’s protracted because) the stakes are high, because of the huge bunch of valuable stuff.

I think the lesson we should learn is to get our governance straight before we have a huge bunch of valuable stuff.

Which I think we are doing. :slight_smile: I just thought I’d say this thought explicitly. It’s relevant to the discussions we’re currently having.

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Yep, I am here and I am listening :slight_smile:

I wrote this a few days ago and it will never stop being true: Jake Hamilton: "So I can point to this later: A Nix fork is bigg…" - Hachyderm.io

So I can point to this later:
A Nix fork is bigger than me, it is bigger than any individual. It will take many, many people a lot of time and effort to pull off. Members will come and go, that is natural. What we need to do is try.

This isn’t something I can do on my own, it is not something I want to do on my own, and it is not something I want to continue doing permanently. Part of my personal goal with Aux is to be able to walk away from helping manage the org. Eventually it won’t need it and it will be much better for others to step in.

As Jeff points out, things are moving extremely quickly. Truthfully, there isn’t much rush in most of these changes. We can move slower than we are today and spend more time considering our actions. Last week was Aux’s first week in the world and the community that has sprung up around it is fantastic, but we need to remember that things are still both new and small. It’s okay to not have all of the things a future, larger version of Aux will have.

I’ve been thinking a lot about how things have gone the last week and what we can do to try and keep things moving forward with community input without getting bogged down by the endless spirals that Nix had. We’ll probably make mistakes too, that’s part of being human. The important thing is that we will correct those mistakes when we recognize them. That, to me, is more important.

For some additional clarity on my previous statement surrounding modifying the roadmap:

I explained that I was extremely hesitant to do so. The rationale for this being that people may have now committed to the vision of Aux described in the roadmap and may feel that their work was useless. I don’t want anyone feeling like they had the rug pulled out from under them. That’s why the roadmap was included on that page.

However, extremely hesitant does not mean we can’t change it. It means we need to be considerate about changes and understand why and how we are making them as well as the impacts they may have on people who joined because of a particular roadmap item. This is also something I have been thinking about, but still need some more time to process.

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The one thing I think we, the community, agree on changing is the (roughly) “first elections after all tech is fully functional” (correct me if I’m wrong @ anyone) I dont think anyone would be dissapointed if elections were sooner.

That said I’m fine with you taking your time with this :+1:

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I agree with everything you have said.

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I am not quite sure if temporary less governance is something I would value right now. I understand the arguments for that direction, but have a hard time separating out that in parallel we have a, relatively out of the blue, vote on whether this fork also shifts copyleft.

A change like that feels extremely core to me and was nowhere to be found in initial communications on goals and roadmap. Obviously a project can always choose to relicense, but would you not then expect that to be treated as a very big thing - with a lot of prior comms & discussion before a vote is just dropped on the community?

I don’t know if this is the right thread, but I believe in speaking out when you don’t agree with a change to something you care about. Looking at the poll, Aux is turning copyleft and that is not what I signed up for. I think it’s cool - you do you - but I don’t think the process around it has been handled particularly well. That is why I figured the comment made sense in this thread - as this is hardly the last time radical change will be suggested :slight_smile:

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